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journey that is a story, kelly and donnie. he is a showman. >> "dancing with the stars" finale this tuesday. i want to thank larry for letting me sit in tonight. time now for "ac 360." take care. tonight, the end of an era. oprah winfrey after she is giving up her daytime talk show after 25 years. and her unprecedented influence and impact and what comes next. suzy or monday, lisa ling and larry king weigh in. also tonight, our 360 special investigation continues. "killings at the canal: the army tapes." what really drove three decorated sergeants to execute four iraqi men? did the army's own rules play a role? were those rules too strict? were they putting soldiers at risk? tonight you can decide for yourself. later, "crime & punishment," a 15-year-old girl fights for her life after being gunned down. her alleged attackers? five other teenagers. what is happening to our kids?
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first up tonight, oprah winfrey's long good-bye began in the final ten minutes of her show. she told her fans the news that she's ending her daytime talk show 22 months from now in september 2011. >> after much prayer and months of careful thought, i decided that next season, season 25 will be the last season of the "oprah winfrey show." and over the next couple of days, you may hear a lot of speculation in the press about why i am making this decision now. and that will mostly be conjecture. so i wanted you to hear this directly from me. >> winfrey said that 25 years felt like the right time to say good-bye. there were also tears. in a moment we'll talk to suze orman, lisa ling and larry king. first here is erica hill. >> reporter: it was a farewell to remember. >> i love the show. this show has been my life.
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and i love it enough to know when it's time to say good-bye. >> reporter: choking back tears, an emotional oprah winfrey announcing next season will be her last. >> 25 years feels right in my bones and it feels right in my spirit. it's the perfect number, the exact right time. so i hope that you will take this 18-month ride with me right through to the final show. >> reporter: a quarter century of highs, lows, and plenty of headlines. from oprah's struggle with her weight to the celebrity interview that was impossible to forget to the power of her political support. she's also launched careers. dr. phil and dr. oz and turn little known authors into household names. >> you could argue that she is the most popular woman ever on television, in terms of a media entrepreneur, more successful than anyone has ever been and she's been really careful. she's controlled her assets.
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>> reporter: it is a global empire. the show is seen in 145 countries by 42 million people a week. there are also magazines, internet, radio and film ventures as well as her many philanthropic causes. nearly everything oprah touches seems to shine. and she's not done yet. >> she's creating a 24-hour a day cable channel that is about empowerment and life purpose. this is a new and big and very risky thing for her. and she's putting her reputation on the line. >> reporter: the oprah winfrey network or o.w.n. is a 50/50 venture with discovery communications but oprah will have control. o.w.n. will replace the discovery health channel in 2011, a chan that'll now has 70 million subscribers. >> this is her act two.
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women -- powerful women, successful often live their lives in chapters. and she's on to her next chapter. >> reporter: but that act is more than a year away. today, oprah was still focused on her first act. >> these years with you -- our viewers, have enriched my life beyond all measure. and you all have graciously invited me into your living rooms, into your kitchens and into your lives. and for some of you, long-time oprah viewers, you have literally thrown up with me. we've grown together. >> reporter: and for her fans, a very personal thank you. >> i want you all to know that my relationship with you is one that i hold very dear. and your trust in me, the sharing of your precious time every day with me has brought me the greatest joy i have ever known. >> reporter: erica hill, cnn, new york.
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oprah winfrey didn't mention her next step, her own cable network, at all today. instead, she promised her fans an exciting final season. let's dig deeper. joining me by phone, suze orman who has been a frequent guest. she writes a regular column and lisa ling and larry king. larry, people refer to oprah as a golden touch. what do you think is behind her many successes? >> i think she is every woman. it sounded like this was her last day. she's got quite a ways to go. i think she touched everybody. there was something about her. she wasn't black, she wasn't white. she was just everybody. she -- despite being enormously rich, she understands the calamities of the poor. she could make a book. she could break someone. she could make -- i think she had a lot to do with the election of obama. i do not diminish her in any way.
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i think she's the strongest force in television today, individually, and maybe ever. >> suze, you're a regular guest on her show. what do you think separates her from the rest? >> i think it's her understanding and her connection, anderson, with the person that she happens to be interviewing at the time. it's almost as if she becomes part of that person's life and can bring things out so that her entire viewing audience can understand the topic at hand. she's a life phenomenon. you know, people are talking about who's going to replace her. oh, give me a break. nobody is ever going to be able to replace the phenomenon known as oprah winfrey. >> lisa, you've been on that set many times. we're seeing a picture of suze orman on that set. what's it like to be there sitting with her? i've been on the show many times. it's a unique environment she has created there. >> it really is surreal every time i'm sitting on that set and look to my left and i see one of the most iconic figures in media
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history. and to underscore what suze and larry were saying, oprah, one of the things that makes her so unique is she is so candid about everything she went through as a young girl, the hardships she had to endure. i think that candor combined with the fact that she has maintained such an admirable level of integrity in everything that she has done has just really engendered her into people's lives and hearts. and the fact that she is on daytime television, the fact that she still has a commitment to covering really important stories. she sent me to the congo to cover stories about gang rape or death in india. she's committed to telling stories that she thinks americans should be aware of. >> yeah. suze, lisa, larry, stay with us. we'll take a quick break. we'll have more oprah winfrey discussion ahead.
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we're talking about oprah winfrey and her decision to end her popular daytime talk show. she made the announcement today. >> 24 years ago on september 8th, 1986, i went live from chicago to launch the first national "oprah winfrey show." i was beyond excited. and as you all might expect a little nervous. i knew then what a miraculous
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opportunity i had been given. but i certainly never could have imagined the yellow brick road of blessings that have led me to this moment with you. >> winfrey told viewers the next year will be the show's final season. there were some tears, a standing ovation from her studio audience. the news about her last season broke yesterday. hearing it today from her was a classic oprah winfrey moment. our panel joins me again by phone, suze orman, lisa ling and larry king. larry, when did you first start interviewing her? >> first it started when she interviewed me. this goes back a long way, anderson. in early 1980s, i started in 1978 doing a national talk show. first network national radio show. and oprah did a morning talk show in baltimore. she was on with a co-host who was a news anchor in baltimore. one of the things they did is surprise their guests. i was invited to be on one
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morning. i believe it was 1982. and i came on and what they did was they took my daughter out of school. she went to school in nearby baltimore near the television station. she was the surprise guest coming from behind the curtain. and i remember oprah telling me that day -- she remained very friendly with my daughter to this day. telling me that day she wanted to go on to better things. then she went to chicago. when i started on cnn which was june 1st, 1985, i spoke to her before she went on the air in '86 in chicago to go national. she was local in chicago. she was so excited. i said, i think you're going to make it. the thing they forget about her, she was a terrific actress, too. i don't know why she stopped doing movies. >> lisa, you have a great example of just the power of oprah winfrey. >> yeah, anderson. one of the first stories that the show sent me to do is cover the tragic story of how many women are being gang raped by foreign armies in the democratic republic of the congo.
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and her viewers were so touched by it. it was an incredibly gruesome show. but it made such an impact in one episode of television it raised $2.5 million in the first airing of that episode. and cumulatively after three airings, it raised over $5 million. i don't think any show has ever, ever come close to having the kind of impact that hers has. >> and suze, you were on recently, giving away a free book. what happened with that? >> you know, anderson, it wasn't enough for oprah just to want to bring books out for her oprah book club where people had to buy them. no, oprah wanted to create original programming, original ideas and with my book "women and money," we went on there and had approximately 24 hours to let people download a hard back book in totality. and 1.5 million people in that period of time downloaded that book. so oprah made that book available to everybody as well
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as the publisher did, but throughout the entire united states, simply to enhance reading and getting women to be educated all for free. >> how big a gamble, suze, do you think the o.w.n. network is going to be? the oprah winfrey network? >> i think it's a gamble. however, i think with the right people in place, i think oprah knows very well what she's doing. and if you ask me, the trend is going towards cable. i don't care what anybody else is saying. so i think if i were advising is it a good business move, i have to tell you, i think it's a great business move and one that i think she's going to be able to pull off. >> lisa, were you surprised by the announcement? there were a lot of rumors about it, a lot of talk about it. >> i wasn't really surprised. i had been hearing about the show probably ending in 2011. but let's not count oprah out and let's not eulogize her by any means. she has so much that she wants to do.
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i mean, let's not forget that she has this school in south africa. about which she is so, so deeply passionate. she's still so committed to changing lives. i think she'll do that in many, many ways that go beyond the show. >> no doubt about that. larry, thanks for being on with us. suze orman, larry king, lisa ling, thank you very much. >> thank you, anderson. >> go to if you want to see oprah's 12 most memorable images. cancer confusion, new guidelines for pap tests to detect cervical cancer. once again, women are being told to start later and have fewer tests. plus our "360" special investigation continues, "killings at the canal: the army tapes," what really drove three army sergeants to kill four iraqis on the battlefield. did the army's rules play a role in the murders? you decide for yourself. text your questions to 22360. standard rates apply. playing )
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still to come, a 15-year-old girl shot and fighting for her life after being in the wrong place at the wrong time. tonight, a look at the baby face suspect. another teen accused of the crime. how could this happen? first, a check of the other day's important stories. eric can hill has a "360 bulletin." glad to see you back and feeling better. >> thank you. nice to be back and feeling better. we begin with a 360 follow. a plea deal in the line cutting case in missouri just after the jury received the case tonight, heather ellis agreed to plead guilty to disturbing the peace and resisting arrest.
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those are both misdemeanors. under the terms of the agreement, ellis must attend anger management sessions, serve one year of unsupervised probation and serve four days in jail. new guidelines out today for cervical cancer screenings. also known as pap tests. the american college of obstetricians and gynecologists recommending women get their first test at age 21 and then be tested every two years until they turn 30. after the age of 30, they recommend women be tested every three years. the recommendations have been far less controversial than the mammogram guidelines released earlier this week. on capitol hill, senate democrats trying to drum up support ahead of tomorrow's vote on whether to take up debate on a new health care reform bill. 60 votes are needed to defeat a republican filibuster. among the report ed fence sitters, democrats from arkansas and louisiana. a terrifying moment caught on tape. a 3-year-old is accidentally separated from his dad in
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portland, oregon. a fellow train commuter came to the rescue. she helped the baby boy and stayed with him until they could be reunited. it was the cause of a malfunctioning train doors. it took seven minutes for dad to get back to little aden. i can imagine that is the longest seven minutes of his life. >> yeah. that feeling when you're a kid and get separated from your parents is the worst. >> yeah. and as a parent, i don't know what i would do. >> yeah. coming up, erica, "going rogue" hits the road. sarah palin promoting her book. we'll tell you what the new stop is and why she's going there. also tonight, "killings at the canal: the army tapes," the "360" exclusive investigation. the death of four iraqi detainees and the three u.s. soldiers charged and convicted of their murders. it's a story you'll only see on cnn. than a comparable honda civic. this chevy traverse has better mileage than honda pilot.
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now the 360 investigation a lot of you are talking about, "killings at the canal: the army tapes." we asked the question, when does a sergeant cross the line from engaging the enemy to committing murder? that's already triggered an avalanche of gut-wrenching and thoughtful remarks from many of you on we appreciate you taking your time to let us know what you think. tonight we focus on motive. why did they do it? what pushed three u.s. sergeants, decorated men, to murder four iraqi men in their custody? the answer shines a bright lite on the rules for the battlefield detainee treatment.
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we want to talk to the general who overseas this program. here is abbie boudreau, from our special investigations unit, with "killings at the canal: the army tapes." >> reporter: this is a u.s. army interrogator, trying to coax out the truth about four murders in baghdad. here he's empathizing with first sergeant john hatley. he says he understands why hatley and two other sergeants murdered four iraqis whom they had detained. >> reporter: though he never confessed, first sergeant john hatley and two other sergeants would be convicted of premeditated murder. their unit found four iraqi men they thought were shooting at them, they detained them. but rather than following military rules for detainees, they took them to this canal and
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killed them, execution style. the interrogator says he understood the motive. they were tired of detaining people only to have them released and shooting at them again. >> right there, right there. >> reporter: cutting suspects loose only so they might be free to shoot at soldiers again. at the time of the murders, soldiers were ordered to handle detainees based on rules from this memo.
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the memo was drafted as the scandal with the detainees at abu ghraib. >> before the memo was written, i mean a person could just bring a detainee to our facility and we would take them in with little or nothing. >> reporter: the memo says soldiers could no longer detain suspected insurgents simply because they were seen as a threat. they needed photos of physical evidence, photos of the detainee at the crime scene and of the detainee next to the evidence. the memo also called for physical evidence. soldiers had to bring in illegal rifles or ied making materials. and they needed a sketch of the crime scene, indicating place of capture and location of weapons, explosives, or munitions. the memo also required soldiers to gather statements written by eyewitnesses of the criminal activity. in other words, the burden of proof to hold detainees was
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high. you said yourself, general, that there were many military operations where the focus was not on evidence gathering. so what happened in those cases? >> well, in most cases, if we don't have anything, they're eventually released. >> reporter: more than 87,000 detainees were captured during the war in iraq. kw kwantock says the majority of them, nearly 77,000, were released for lack of evidence. >> we're asking them to take basic evidence, which they've been trained to do. again, we've got the greatest soldiers in the world. and i don't accept that they can't take basic evidence off of a crime scene. >> general, though, if it's so easy to collect this basic evidence, why were so many detainees let out because of lack of evidence? >> well, i mean it took us a while. it took us a while to realize. it goes back to my point about, you know, we were -- we're trying to make the fight fit the
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army as opposed to have the army fit the fight. and it took us a while to get after that piece about collecting evidence. i think a lot of times we thought the insurgency would dissipate. we were working closely with the government of iraq and trying to improve the iraqi security forces. at the end of the day, it didn't work out very well. we had to get better at taking evidence off the crime scene. >> reporter: as for the frustrations it caused some soldiers, this is sergeant michael leahy. of the three sergeants convicted of murdering the four iraqi detainees, only he confessed on tape. >> reporter: this is sergeant leahy's attorney, frank spinner. >> as it was, they had to take off their
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soldier hat and put on a cop hat and show environments that these were people were shooting at them. if there wasn't enough evidence, then they were going to be released on the street. but soldiers aren't trained to be cops and they're not trained to collect evidence and they're not trained in the ways of civilian criminal prosecutions. >> reporter: a point even quantock concedes when pressed. you talk quite a bit about this training that soldiers have received. we've talked to many, many soldiers who say that the only training that they would get would be, you know, a 50-minute powerpoint presentation back in the states before they would go out on a battlefield. >> yeah, that's exactly right. i mean, we don't give them extensive training. we're not trying to teach policemen. but we are trying to teach them enough whether it's eyewitness statements, whether it's taking photographs, all of those can be used in a trial. however, we got to catch somebody doing something wrong. we've got to find evidence. >> reporter: once again, sergeant michael leahy.
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>> reporter: with all due respect, general, what is the point of having soldiers in iraq fighting this type of war if they can't take alleged insurgents off the street? >> we look at iraq. we look at iraq as a long-term strategic partner of the united states. the sacrifice is well worth it. what we're trying to do is build capacity and capability for not only the iraqi forces, the police, the iraqi army, but also stand up the rule of law. >> abbie, the rules have become even stricter since the beginning of the year. what are the rules now? >> you're right. the rules are much tougher. a security agreement with the government of iraq now requires an arrest warrant signed by an iraqi judge in order to lock somebody up. so that means that u.s. soldiers are detaining fewer and fewer people. keep in mind, anderson, this is all part of the transition of powerback to the iraqi government.
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>> and it's incredibly frustrating for soldiers to catch possible insurgents and then watch them walk out of these detention facilities. >> yes, soldiers say it is the most frustrating part of this war. we even found out about a case involving this unit where an alleged insurgent was released. the same soldiers who captured this man were then forced to pick him up from the detainee facility, drop him off at his home, give him a letter of apology and cash for wasting his time and we're told this is happening over and over. >> wow. and you asked the right question to the general which is that if it's so easy to get these, you know, basic crime gathering techniques, then why were 70,000 some of the detainees out of the
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87,000 then just re-released if it's so easy. clearly, it's not so easy in the battlefield to gather this evidence. a rule of law in detainees. is it right? we'll talk about it with abbie and our guest and the former commander of the uss cole. text us your questions at 22360. standard rates apply. plus, sarah palin adding a stop to her book tour that is getting a lot of attention. we'll tell where you she is headed and where she is donating money from her book sales. some pharmacists only dispense prescriptions. your walgreens pharmacist also dispenses wisdom... to help you make the right health care decisipds. like understanding medicare part d. we'll walk you through a free plan comparison report... to guide you to the most cost-effective... and comprehensive plan, whether you're new to medicare part d... or you've been covered for a while.
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zblenchs only on cnn, we're back with our investigation, "killings at the canal: the army tapes." three army sergeants were convicted of murdering four detainees in baghdad. the general who oversees detainee operations in iraq defends the evidence. we're digging deeper. joining us again, special investigations unit
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abbie boudreau is us with. and a former commander of the uss cole and professor of law at american university. kirk, soldiers we spoke to this week told us again and again they were putting their lives in danger by staying behind in combat zones to gather the list of evidence required to keep insurgents locked up. is it too much to ask from our soldiers? >> i think it is. i think when you look at it, anderson, you have a fundamental mindset problem with the senior leadership of the military right now. many of them are beginning to fall in line with the political standard saying we're involved in a criminal action instead of actual combat operations. you've got a number of lawyers that are beginning to drive actual operations in the field rather than advising commanders on how best to carry out their missions. and so consequently, you have this mindset that we need to gather evidence in a criminal scene. i mean i'm astounded that a general would even say something like that. the reality of it is to put our troops in the field and put the burden of proof on them that they have to meet an evidentiary
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standard that is as high as it appears to be is an unreasonable expectation to put on our military forces. >> stephen, of course the flip side of that is a strict detainee policy so that innocent people are not just rounded up as clearly might have been happening early on. but is there a way to still have a system in place that, you know, doesn't round up innocent people but also doesn't have the requirements that currently do which certainly seem onerous for soldiers on the ground. >> i think that's a hard question. i think we have to separate out the question of whether we're going to require any evidence to hold these detainees from just how much evidence. this has been a huge problem not just in iraq but also with guantanamo detainees. i think the answer is, there is a way to do it. i don't think we have to require the same showing that we showed in our civilian courtrooms today. the notion that we should just be holding people for seven or eight years simply because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time is, i think, what's
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behind this policy. i think it's hard to disagree that that's something we should be avoiding. >> it certainly seems like that this is a result of what happened in abu ghraib. this is part of the repercussions of that terrible event. >> well, i mean i think it's partly about abu ghraib. i think it's also about guantanamo. today there is yet another decision by a district judge here in washington that someone who's been at guantanamo for upwards of seven years, the government does not have enough evidence to hold. i think we've been particularly sensitive to the worry that we're holding all these people in iraq based simply on the circumstances of their capture. and that to really justify long-term retention, we need a little bit more. >> we have a text 360 question. did the army verify every soldier got the memo? >> well, no. the memo didn't actually go to the soldiers. it was up to the commanders on the ground to let the soldiers know what that memo said and the new requirements. i mean we talked to many soldiers who said they didn't know there was a new memo written. they knew the rules were getting tougher and tougher.
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>> it seems as -- sounds like the soldiers are getting -- if you have this policy, if you're only giving them 15 minutes of training in how to gather evidence in a war zone, i mean that doesn't sound like much as at all. >> that is a relevant concern. i think the question is if we want our soldiers to be playing this role even as a secondary matter, are we going to make sure that there is someone in the unit who actually has the training to take this evidence? i think we have to be careful. we're not talking about, you know, csi: iraq. this is not about dna evidence. this is about more than just putting someone in the wrong place at the wrong time. i think that's the hard part going forward. >> does it seem like this policy was put in place with the proper consideration for how realistically it could be carried out on the ground for the troops? >> from what i've seen of the memorandum, i don't think it is. i think when you're looking at it, the steps that are being required are indicative more of the overreaction than an actual very thoughtful process that takes into account the
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operational conditions that these young soldiers have to operate under. when they're out there, the last thing you want to expect them to do is finish a firefight, put down their weapon and be in a period of vulnerability where they're having to gather the kind of photographic evidence and evidence next to a detainee and providing all this justification. that's not realistic, especially when we seem to be in a mindset to have the smallest footprint possible, whether it's in iraq or afghanistan. we don't have the troops available to be able to field the kind of evidence gathering that's been set by leadership back in washington. >> but i do think part of how we leave a smaller footprint is by making sure that we have the right people in custody. now i'm entirely in agreement with kirk that we have to make sure that we're not jeopardizing the lives of our soldiers. they should have the authority to cordon off their scene and ensure their safety and then to gather evidence. the question is are we really going to walk away at that point and say just because you were in the wrong house we can hold you indefinitely? i think that's the concern.
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>> i don't think -- anderson, i don't think we want to be holding anyone indefinitely. but it's also, what is the standard of evidence required? typically in a combat environment, it is just a mere -- not even a preponderance, but more evidence than not that the individual is engaged in operations against us. it shouldn't have to meet a beyond a reasonable doubt standard. >> yeah. it's a difficult situation for our troops on the ground. kirk, appreciate you being on. stephen as well. abbie boudreau, thank you. very fascinating report. this weekend you can watch the entire "killings at the canal" saturday and sunday at 8:00 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. eastern. coming up, a 15-year-old girl with everything going for her, walking home from school when she was caught in the crossfire. now she is fighting for her life. how can the violence be stopped? we talk to education contributor steve perry, ahead. the first hearing for fort hood shooter nidal hasan, he is still in his hospital bed. but could be he heading to jail? playing )
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she's fighting for her life. she was gunned down while walking home from school. the victim of a stray bullet. tonight doctors say she is breathing on her own but is in serious condition. the gunman, he is 15 years old. they have nicknamed him the baby face gunman. tonight's "crime & punishment" report. >> reporter: vada vazquez was merely walking home from school, a 15-year-old who loved art, music and drawing. she met up with the worst the inner city has to offer. >> why did you shoot the girl? >> reporter: this is who police say changed her life violently. his name is harvet gentles. he is only 16. authorities say he shot veta and says he was part of a gang that he and young four men were patrolling a bronx neighborhood on the lookout for a rival whom they found in this corner store. raphael torres is the store
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owner. >> i heard six shots. >> reporter: you heard six shots? >> yes. >> reporter: you must have been very scared? >> yeah. >> reporter: the rival they were looking for was shot but in good condition. however, veta vasquez was walking by in the wrong place at the wrong time and is fighting for her life. mandy boodram is her sister. >> thank you very much for your support and for your prayers. because right now i think what's happening is really sad. [ beep ] >> reporter: police say the 16-year-old, already dubbed the baby face suspect, is the triggerman. they have also arrested the four older suspects. all five have been charged with adults with attempted murder. >> he attempted to get the weapon to the shooter, genteel, because he had no criminal record. >> reporter: his attorney says his client is innocent. police are now passing out cards in the neighborhood where the shootings occurred, offering rewards for help in arresting people with illegal handguns. even if you're not from new york you probably heard how this city is has become a much safer place over the last couple decades.
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but safety is a relative term. in this part of the bronx, most of the people we talk to say they didn't feel safe back then. they don't feel safe now. and they don't have a lot of expectations about feeling safe in the future. as sad as people are that a young girl was shot, the fact that it's not shocking speaks volumes. gary tuchman, cnn, new york. this is a stark reminder of violence and remains very real problem on our streets. continues to pose a lethal threat to our kids. steve perry joins us now. you see, it's difficult for people to wraparound their minds how a 16-year-old kid is willing to kill somebody. i spent a couple hours today talking to a guy that has been in and out of gangs, he's been shot six times. and the things that he and other people are fighting over is stupid. i mean it's territory they don't own. it's pride they don't have. and it just doesn't make sense when you boil it down. >> they're the lives that don't
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mean anything to them. they see themselves simply as part of the fight. i'm here in chicago, not too far away from one of our most recent tragedies of a young man losing his life. i was talking to some young people here. and i asked them, does anything shock you anymore? they said, no. they said we're not even in the mode of trying to come up with solutions anymore. we simply are trying to make it home. and who's failing these kids? >> you have to realize -- >> we are. the adults. >> is it the parents? >> all of the above. i just had another contentious town hall meeting. people are trying to come up with solutions. the biggest issue in the room is not the solutions but the egos of the adults. the adults have to put their egos aside and realize we have created these circumstances. my head is going to explode if i hear another grown person talk about how good life was when they were younger. how you used to get a beating all the way down the block. the adults created this. our music, our lifestyle, our decisions have raised a generation of children who have seen us and they are embarrassed
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by us. they don't have confidence in us. and as a result, they don't have confidence in their own life. there was a time when a child would come to your room to feel safe. now the children don't come to us to feel safe. they go to each other. and therein lies the problem. >> i guess that contributes in a way to the gang issue, if they find a sense of family in the gangs. although frankly when you talk to the gang guys, spending a lot of time here in l.a. doing just that, when push comes to shove and they get arrested, it's not the gang members who are writing letters to them. it's their moms, their brothers and sisters. >> oh, it's a false sense of confidence. we all know that there is no honor among theives. when these young brothers and sisters begin to join gangs, it's the hope that they'll have a family. but it's also about a more practical issue, it's about making it home alive. they have to make these decisions, so they think. and when the school systems are so horrible, they're criminal that they're so bad. they're not educating children.
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and we keep pumping more and more money into them and thinking that the issue is money. it's the fact that these schools are designed to fail. since they're designed to fail, the children know this. they go into this knowing they're not going to get an education. it's something for them to do for 6 1/2 hours. without the hope of a future and without the capacity of parents to raise them well, what you get is what we have. and for god's sake, it's only getting worse. at some point we have to begin to own our own peace. everybody is culpable for the circumstances under which we are currently living. everyone has a role in it. regardless of what we do in the community, each one of us can find a way to solve the problem, beginning by making sure schools are more effective, holing principals and teachers accountable for the fact they're not educating our children and work our way out from there. >> yeah. the ratio achievement gap, the education achievement gap is startling when you start to look
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at the numbers. >> it's actually criminal. i mean it's against the law. it was made clear in 1954 in brown versus board of education that separate and unequal education is in fact illegal. it's been proven over and over again. we keep pumping all this money into failed school systems so that people can blame race and poverty when we have examples of successful schools in the poorest communities in the country. we know how to operate successful schools. we know what happens. and when children go to those successful schools, they do better. you don't hear kids from exeter and andover gunning people down. it's because those folks see a future, because they feel connected to something. >> all right. steve, it's always good to have your voice on. thank you. steve perry from chicago. go to to hear one man's fight to rescue his bronx neighborhood from the violence. next, the first court hearing for nidal hasan. when it's going to take place and an update on his condition, ahead. and sarah palin making a special stop on her book tour.
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let's get caught up on some other important stories. erica hill joins us with a "360 bulletin." new legal developments in the fort hood hearing. the first hearing is tomorrow for nidal hasan in his hospital room. that's according to his attorney. at issue here, whether hasan should be placed in pretrial confinement, which could mean jail. he was paralyzed in the rampage. speaking of ft. hood, sarah palin added it as a stop on her book tour. the former governor will be there on december 4th. profits from the book sales that day will go to victims of the shooting rampage. and virginia, a deadly crash involving miley cyrus' tour bus. the driver was killed. the singer was not onboard. and at uc berkeley, outrage over rising tuition costs. 41 demonstrators were cited for trespassing when they tried to take over a campus building.
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this is one of several protests at uc campuses across the state. it will try to raise tuition by 32% over two years. they say they have no choice here due to the state's budget crisis. and in her moment of glory, the winner of this year's ms. brazil day had her wig snatched. a jealous rival tore off the winner's hair as you can see. taking the tiara with it. the popular contest features drag queens from across the country and apparently a whole lot of drama. >> wow. >> yeah. >> that makes the whole pageant thing that happened here seem like small potatoes. >> a little bit. >> time for the beat 360 winners. our daily challenge to viewers. a chance to show up our staffers by coming up with a better caption for the photo we place on our blog every day. tonight's photo, republicans gathering around a health care reform bill. the caption, we made this little
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booster seat here for you, nancy. >> the viewer winner is debbie, her caption, ryan seacrest submitts his resume to take over for oprah. >> you were on ryan seacrest's show this morning. >> i was. it was very fun. debbie, congratulations. your 360 t-shirt is on the way. >> we should send a copy of the 2,074-page bill with it, just for fun. >> we'd have to pay extra for the postage, so we possibly won't do that. >> it would cost a lot, even with media mail. how about the shot? turns out it's a good thing we're not in the same studio given what you told conan o'brien on "the tonight show." i think we have a clip. >> great. >> let's get to the important question. do you have swine flu now? what the hell is this? he's coughing. where's my spit guard? that's great. that's great, anderson! this is terrific.
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terrific. what the hell is that all about? that's the lowest thing i've ever seen anybody do. swine flu, my boy. enjoy that. >> yeah. no, i'm told i'm not contagious. >> yeah, by dr. sanjay gupta who doesn't seem to know what the hell he is talking about who was here two weeks ago coughing up a storm. >> i was worried that i was coughing too much around you. apparently, i should be concerned. maybe i caught it from you. >> no, no. i'm not contagious, i'm told. i'm not even sure i had it. >> i've had the vaccine. let's hope it works. >> yeah, really. next on "360," oprah winfrey explains why she is leaving the take time talk show of 25 years. it was a nice speech she made. we'll show you a lot of it and we'll show you a lot of it and what may be ahead for oprah. -- captions by vitac --
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